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DFR81
Joined: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 12
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 Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 12:23 pm Post subject: Every one Please read. |
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My first car, a 93 hatchback Mustang. I skinned it, dropped a used cage, seat, gauges, fuel cell, springs in it. Dropped in a VERY stock motor with a borrowed Tranny. Stock clutch and flywheel. Stock Radiator and a electric fan out of a Buick century that I had. New Seat belts. Borrowed a set of 3 year old hoosiers. Oh yeah, and I put in a $350 fire system( no scrimping on safety).
I won a heat race and finished second in alot more. Led a few A features for about half a race until a caution came out and got the fast guys right to my back bumper, but still finishing right behind them. All in a car that cost me less than $800 to put on the track. I bought a new set of Hoosiers for the 2007 season @ M40. Won a heat race and finished 2nd in more. Would have most likely won alot more heats. Ran really good in the features never getting lapped once. Not putting another penny in the car except buying my own set of tires instead of borrowing from my brother. And would have finished in the top 5 in points, but wrecked the car half way through the season. And I had no more than $1500 TOTAL invested in my car.
That would be a great class. My Budget is SUPER low. Limit the lift, allow stock header(yes they are cheap), allow Holley carbs but limit size. stock ignition, no racing clutch, let them use their adjustable pulleys if they want( I don't ), allow hoosiers or radials( Like I said, I ran a set that was 3 years old), and make the class even again.
The hoosiers being an issue. No difference in spending money for the Hoosiers than spending the money on the motor. Yes, it will help your lap times, but so does those big a$$ motors. The guys are running Hoosiers will behind the guys running radials.
Pull the valve cover in tech at the beginning of the season. Or check a car the 1st time at the track. Pull the valve cover of the top 3 in the feature to check the lift. That would keep the class even.
Honestly, I would like to show you guys at Angola. If Maybe one night, my family come down with our cars and run with you guys on our Hoosiers. Start us based on our qualifying times and see if we have an advantage. I honestly don't think it will be what everyone thinks. In 2006, i ran the Race Spectacular in Plymouth against cars on radials. There was not any advantage to me at all. Let us prove it.
  
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miniracer7
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Posts: 18
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| First off, what cam limit would be ok , next if you are going to do that you need to make a cc limit also so no more 2500,2600 2700 just make it 2300 cam issue is just about everyone would have to get a new cam. Who is going to check the cam lift, no one is touching my motor in the tech are if you want it check it i take it apart for you, if something happens and they slip or break something whos paying for it, me!!! Im also not sure if alot of the tech people know how to check the lift in a ford, plus you can do different thing to make the lift different if you arent sure what you are doing. Carbs would be great because they make tech tool for the hollys not motorcrafts, headers, not too much difference with the exhaust rule, tires big difference i would run the hoosier if allowed because its a better tire you can cut and do other things to the tires and they are a lot faster, trust me i know. I asked baerfield to go the holly bone stock rule and they said no!!!!!! I asked if i could make them the tech tool for a motor craft carb and got no answer, I know for a fact there is a lot of "cleaning up" going on to the carbs. Its to be stock, not cleaned up.
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jellybean
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: |
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| i seem to be getting two different stories on the hoosier tire.. on the post entilted "question" in the ministock section.. i believe the 6th post on tuesday jan 8th at 2:01pm.. this post also involved plymouth so the difference couldn't be the track.. but a direct quote "hoosiers were ran by many and times were faster"
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KD2
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 37
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Jellybean the Hoosiers are faster, but not just because they are a Hoosier tire. They are seven inches wide and are made of a softer compound than the radials. I prefer the Hoosier, but I would race on whatever the track tire was. This conversation is going to go back down the same road the last one went. It would be great if the cars were stock like they were intended, but it is not going to happen. I hope this class survives, but if everyone doesn't get together it isn't looking good! DFR81 is right he did a fair job on a shoestring budget, racers are their own worst enemy. They will spend whatever it takes to be fast, so there goes the costs of running up front. The tech issue is not going to work at any track I have been to. You have people that do not know what they are looking for or do not care. There are ways to inspect the motors, but they take time. I don't believe tracks are going to spend that kind of time on ministocks. This is just my opinion, and I hope this class does survive because I am going to be racing as a rookie at Plymouth this year.
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DFR18
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 38
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| Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I am not sure what kind of tech guys are present at Angola, but it seems that every track I have been to doesnt seem to look at anything. Between tech officials and drivers, things have gone way beyond "mini stocks". Drivers are spending money to go fast and catch up with the guys who have already gotten out of control. I have been racing mini's for what will be my fifth season, and trying to catch up to the already crazy speeds and power these guys are putting out. Now, with spending more than I want on a mini, I am just about there. Thats the way it happens, I am tired of losing every week. That means its time to spend the money, and try and get faster. As far as the tires go, I support Hoosiers all the way. I ran Angola on radials, and yeah I did have fun. But I also know I would love to race Hoosiers on that track, with the banking it would be a blast.
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jellybean
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:50 am Post subject: |
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| i would agree that hoosiers would be more fun, but i dont think the majority of drivers at angola would vote to the added expense of switching over.. some of the lower budget cars struggle already to keep racing if they have accidents and have to put more money in their car to fix things that break.. m40 ran hoosiers with the wide open rules and the class lasted one season because of the lack of cars.. the economy right now has everybody in a pinch and the added expense of racing tires isn't going to help the car count in any way.. so far angola has their rules set and we have had two rules meeting to discuss the rules and make any changes that everybody who attends could vote on... right now angola has 6 rookies signed up to race next year.. thats awesome. i want to get back to a 20 car field in this class and running hoosiers wont help us get there... currently plymouth only has 10 dates on their schedule to run the mini stocks.. angola has ministocks scheduled for over 20 shows this season..
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: reply |
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| Just a note.. Plymouth is revamping their schedule as there was a mistake when getting it ready for print! The promoters have said that the mini's will run about 15-16 shows and They are giving a class the night off once every fifth week. This should proove to be beneficial to the drivers as a much needed break will be present as well as opportunity to race at other great facilities such as ANGOLA MOTOR SPEEDWAY!! So to clear up the schedule issue or debate...here you go!
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rowzer
Joined: 09 Oct 2007
Posts: 34
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| COME ON DFR81, PUT ON THE RADIALS AND RACE AT ANGOLA.. LOOKS LIKE THE CLASS MIGHT BE VERY MUCH IMPROVED THIS YEAR.. WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS THIS YEAR SWEETCORN EXPRESS?? ALSO HAVE NOTICED THAT MINI RACER 7 HAS NOT REGISTERED..
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KD2
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 37
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I told you this was going to go down the same path as last time. Jellybean you are right about switching tires for the minis at this point. You will lose more cars then you gain by switching to the Hoosiers. This is SUPPOSED to be an entry level class for racers on a budget, and for many it is. As for the M40 deal the minis got a raw deal as far as I'm concerned, but that is strictly my opinion. I do not believe you can start a class from scratch a not give them at least two seasons to try to develope it. They tried to combine different rules from different tracks and it did not get the 20 cars they were expecting out of the box. They changed the rules to try and lure cars from Galesburg 3 weeks into the season after cars were already into the points race. This was not as successful as they hoped either. M40 had a good core group of drivers that were there every weak, but it was not meant to be. Hopefully Plymouth's class will grow this year and everyone will have a place to race!
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: reply to rowzer |
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SweetCornExpress's plans have been put into stealth mode. I am currently flying under the radar!! Good Luck Finding out where I'll be or what I'll be doing!! LOL If I find out, you all will be the first to know! 
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DFR81
Joined: 27 Dec 2007
Posts: 12
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:08 pm Post subject: tires |
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Well, let me think. My budget is extremely low and I am suppose to buy a set of radials that would get used maybe twice to run at a track over an hour away from me. UMMMM, yeah, not in the budget.
Anyways. you missed my point. My Hoosiers are no different than if I was running radials with a big a$$ motor. I have a stock motor, but run hoosiers and I Would probably still get beat by the guys with the bigger motors. Like I was saying, I start according to qualifying and it is no different than the fast guys with the big motors. if I was to out qualify people, I start behind and have to pass. It is not like I am going to be any faster than the guys with the big motors.
What I am saying is, allow the Hoosiers and after a while when drivers need to buy new tires. Then they could get the hoosiers.
Just my opinion.
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DFR18
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 38
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I also agree with KD2 about M40, the rules were not set in stone in time for guys to make a commitment to the track. By the time rules were changed to allow guys from Galesburg, it was to late. I am also confident that if M40 were to run the mini's in '08 with a set in stone set of rules, then we would get the cars needed to be successful. We did not have an opportunity to prove ourselves. Sweetcorn is correct, more dates are being added to Plymouth because of a scheduling error. I understand where Wes is coming from about radials, but also going to back any track that runs a racing tire (I mean these are race cars, race cars = race tires). I will most likely be living closer to Angola and Baerfield after relocating homes, but still choose to run Hoosiers at Plymouth. This is also, just my opinion.
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rookie66
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 172
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Cmon guys.First the racing clutches,then the spring cups ,then the webers(announced at the Prelude tech meeting),now you want hoosiers.Let's put the rules to bed and get ready to race.
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jellybean
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43
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| Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| my point is that your proposal would not be fair to the guys already on radials with the same caliber motor that you have.... rules are rules.. if you cannot afford to get some radials to run those couple of shows try getting a place that sells tires to let u have some used tires for sponsorship.... i have done that in the past and got alot of very good tires for free.. this would basically be free advertising for their business.. right now its difficult to get some cash as help, but if the advertising involves something they have already charged their customer with the disposal fee then a smart business would jump on that opportunity...
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