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Promoter
Site Admin
Joined: 07 Oct 2007
Posts: 256
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 Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 3:59 pm Post subject: Racing Clutch UPDATE.... |
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I know that some of you will want to hang me for this BUT......
After talking with Larry (Tech) and several phone calls and emails from racers, I (WES) have decided to remove the NO Racing Clutches portion of the rules. This is not an attempt to help a single racer but to help the class.
I found that after putting this rule into print that we have almost singled out Angola and would most likely keep travelers from being able to run at Angola. In 2007 we seen an average of about 10 Mini Stocks, a drastic change from the past years. We need to allow for others to race at Angola in order to get new interest coming in. I don't plan to change anything else, but the clutch deal was a big problem. Not to mention the issues that teching it may cause.
I truly hope that you will understand why I have deleted that rule and bear with us as we try to get the class back to the car count it used to be.
BEFORE ANYONE STARTS.... WE WILL NOT ALLOW RACING TIRES!!!! I just had to toss that in before someone asks!
If you have any questions and or comments feel free to contact me at the Speedway Office at 260-495-7223 or on my Cell at 260-316-2716.
Thank you
Wes Parrish
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Racer69
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
Posts: 43
Location: Hudson Indiana
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Wes,
I understand why you feel you had to make this change and I'll continue to support what you feel you need to do. But for the 10-12 racers that have been supporting the track now have to do what I'm going to have to do and go out and buy a $500.00-700.00 racing clutch. Because this is a rotating weight that if you use what i've already bought is at a huge disadvantage. I really hope that this change picks up alot of cars for the price its costing the regular's. 
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Reply! |
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| Your point is very well understood, but the racing clutch issue falls right into the whole, "Stock" problem. $$$ for those racing clutches! Boy the rules acrossed the area have really made a racer have to decide which direction he or she wants to go!! Too bad there was not a MiniStock Alliance rules package!! This would allow for equal rules acrossed the board and could even allow a racer to run at 4 different facilities on any given weekend!! It could be a really neat series!! Nice thoughts anyway!!
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Grubby
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
Posts: 34
Location: North Webster, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Well i was going to bring my 2 cars up and run a couple shows, but with the racing clutch rule it would be a waste of my money. We can not run them at New Paris, so pulling 60 miles to get our butts handed to us would be kinda stupid. The class is suppose to be a low dollar class, but now that the racing clutches, roller and solid heads are being allowed the low budget racers dont have a chance.
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject: Also... |
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2 points.. To my friend Kevin, Stock is pretty much a thing of the past as you can see and now NPS is behind the eight ball so to speak!! They are know the loner with the clutch rule and the 2400 lbs. weight rule!
....Addition to racer 69's post... The rotating mass is huge from the stock setups to the racing clutch. You have a 5 lb. ram coupler with a super light flex plate now available or a 12 lb tilton or coleman racing clutch. I could go on but those clutches compared to a 13 lb aluminum flywheel and a stock lightened clutch at about 11 lbs for a #23 lb clutch Flywheel Assembly is HUGE!! Wanna race? How fast do you wanna go? $$$ It is a hard fact, but Racer 69 has a point!!
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rookie66
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 172
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: racing clutches |
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NOTE: THIS IS A BEGINNERS CLASS, PLEASE HELP KEEP IT THIS WAY!
C) ALL vehicles must be Factory Stock – Street Legal with NO major modifications of any kind.
B) Must be 4-cylinder, carburetor-fed, and factory stock for the year, make, and model of vehicle.
D) Must have factory stock cylinder head for the make and model of vehicle.
G) NO interior sheet metal allowed except for firewalls.
These are cut and pasted right from the rules page.
Let's see racing clutch,600,eisslinger motor,7000,special cheater carbs,that pass tech gauges from the top,250,etc,etc.
The rising costs are what kills the car count.
Yes it's unfortunate,that it costs money to race,but only because we let it happen,set some rules for a class and leave them alone,the regulars are the ones that build a consistent car count not the ones that pop in on rainouts or for special shows. You have already set dates for outlaw minis,why throw them in to the regular shows.
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rookie66
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 172
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: racing clutches |
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| Hey sweetcorn,do you think New paris is behind the eight ball,or have they just drawn a line in the sand and said,THESE ARE THE RULES,FOLLOW THEM,!
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jellybean
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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| this is the first rule change the ministocks have had since the class started other than the spec tire we had a couple of years ago..so the rules have not changed in atleast 5 years.. i want to address some subjects brought up in some of the posts.. i dont know where people think that some racers have a 7000 dollar motor from esslinger.. if they did and raced at angola they really didn't impress me as i passed them.. . i bought the entire car for alittle over half that amount...the engine was built right here in northeast indiana... the carb on this motor was purchased from autozone just a stock rebuild and jetted it accordingly with stock motorcraft jets.. stock clutch with a lightened flywheel.. i dont think the posts were toward me, but i believe you get out of racing what u put into it.... when i first started i was very low dollar on everything and i still had alot of fun.. just remember what u have invested verses the guys up front.. as far as the racing clutch goes i am 99.9% positive i will not buy one..
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KD2
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 37
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The promoters are to blame for the transition from the original mini stock to todays race cars. Although it was probably unintentional, it still happened. These cars have gone away from the stock class to full fledged race cars. Racers have created the aftermarket for these cars with inginuity, and the fire went from there. The only thing stock on these cars now is the chassis! How long until that changes? I agree with Sweetcorn, let's get some tracks together and unify the rules. After that have 3 or 4 races at each track per season and go racing. These are some of the most exciting cars to watch at any short track in the country if there is a healthy cars count. Let's not let the class die because of bickering over rules.
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:41 pm Post subject: reply |
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KD2 is obviously on my track of thinking! Anyhow, the fact of the matter is the mini's are hurting, and that is with the same rules for the past 5 years as Jerry has stated! There are issues with racers building new cars due to the price of a competitive mini costing as much as a good streeter! Dont think so? Look at your past years winners at Angola and tell me that the #70, #3, and the #11 dont have more than $1500 in a motor! Not pointing fingers, but I will gaurantee it! I have traveled with my car the past couple years and actually made a race at all 4 tracks in northern indiana last season! The class is struggling! This clutch issue stinks because it costs money, but if it is going to make the rules closer with other tracks and allow for more legal cars to race, then hopefully the numbers will climb! This is a very hard topic to debate because nobody wants to spend more to make the same as always when it comes to payoff! The hard part is do you want to be competitive, or just turn laps! If you don't like it and I don't mean this to be rude, but then a decision needs to be made if this is the class for you! I honestly think if guys would be able to see a common set of rules and have a chance to travel around and see 40-50 ministocks at a single event, it would just be awesome! I know that is asking for a lot, but this class is headed in a declining direction and it hurts to say keeping things the same have not been building the class! And this is true for NPS! That is what I meant by saying behind the 8 ball. Change can be good, and bad, it is how you choose to handle it that can make the difference! And I don't think any thing was being directed right at you Jerry! Alot said here and only a look from the outside!!
Last edited by sweetcornexpress on Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:17 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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sweetcornexpress
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 33
Location: Leesburg, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:51 pm Post subject: Oh Yeah |
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| I'm not saying I am not guilty about the more than $1500 in a motor either, because that is just a fragment. I will say I had a blast as "an Outsider" traveling to race with Holliday, Slone, and company! It was a blast as the 2 times I ran there last season were the first and second time in my life of ever attending and I felt 2- top 3 finishes were pretty good considering my experience there and also trying to be a little conservative due to leading the points at Plymouth Speedway in both trips to Angola! If you want a nice quality built fast car then the sky is the limit when it comes to being able to spend $$$$!! But remember the rules of old have aloud this type of racing and cars to be built! These new rules stink because of increased $$ spent to be competitive! I did want to give a big laugh at Jerry's 99.9% sure he won't buy a racing clutch! If you go out there buddy and someone flat hands it too you in your first race, I am sure that it will change your mind. I changed in '05 from a steel, to an aluminum flywheel and picked up just over a quarter second on my lap times. The lighter weight helps with the acceleration off the corner and a racing clutch will do that and more do to the rotating mass and much improved acceleration!! My 2 cents, Jamison Corn
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rookie66
Joined: 10 Oct 2007
Posts: 172
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:43 pm Post subject: racing clutches |
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| I talked to Chris Johnson about some rings for my engine and he told me had built a 2.3 there that had over 4 grand in it and it was for an unnamed ministock racer at Angola. A friend overheard a guy at the Dekalb County Fair say that he was awaiting delivery of a motor From Eisslinger in California,I took it for granted it was a crate motor. Maybe I just need to back out of this one,this is our first year and we will be more than happy to trail the pack with our 2000 dollar car this year,just to be racing.I hope my statements didn't offend anyone.
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jellybean
Joined: 11 Oct 2007
Posts: 43
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| well the 99.9% is prob going to be true... tomorrow i am putting a motor in my original mini so i can have a backup this year...hopefully the motor lasts this time as it will be my first motor i did most of the work on myself.. SO EVERYBODY BUY STOCK IN TRACK DRY!!!! u might get a chance to make a few bucks come early may as the demand will probably go up!!! i agree with getting the rules to be more uniform in the ministocks in the area.. the class has grown as far as speed goes big time since i started.. my rookie year (2002 i think) i remember that a 19.25-19.5 lap time would get me around 10th quick out of 20 cars...last year that would have been one of the slowest times on the track... kedrin, jim, and myself were the 3 guys that were just one step ahead of the pack, but towards the end of the season that gap was starting to get closer as the others did get faster.. i really look forward to next year i am 100% sure of that..
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miniracer7
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Posts: 18
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Guys you can find racing clutch for about 300 its what i paid for my goldstar, if anyone wants to know what i have in my motor email me and i will tell you. the motor people are buying from esslinger is a steel block and head no crate motor but it is a 2.5, stroker. A real good motor can be built for about 4000.00, thats a good bottom end and a great top end. I finished second to darwin in the michale ross race, it was not my head but i did it for my brother inlaw. If you are on a buget just spend your money were you need it not on other fancy stuff. WATCH EBAY YOU CAN FIND GREAT PARTS THERE, IF YOUR NOT SURE EMAIL ME AND I WILL GIVE YOU HONEST ADVICE ABOUT THE ITEM.
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Grubby
Joined: 14 Oct 2007
Posts: 34
Location: North Webster, IN
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Ok here is what i think is making the low car counts at all tracks. All the rules use to say stock for make, model and year. Well mustangs never came with roller or solid heads. The only solid head was in the Pinto 2.0 from the factory. But the tracks have been allowing these mods and others. The low car count isnt the guys with money to buy all the high dollar parts. Its the guys like me and alot of my friends that cant run against the money. Alot of the guys that use to run minis have quit because the cost is to high. Like i said before these are suppose to be low dollar. If guys want to spend alot of money, go up a class. I run all stock and do pretty good, and it is all in how i drive and set up my car . That is what i think is fun. Not getting beat by the money. I personally would not feel right to beat over half the feature cars that are half to one second slower than me. Take the rules back to the basics. I know at least 4 people that want to race this class, but wont because i told them how much it will take to build a good car.
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